Tuesday, 4 November 2008

''Understanding the ancient landscape, the heavens, the dawn of agriculture,the Golden Age, and the evolution of social disorder.

-Stars and Stones Winter Forum-


Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk - Sat 15th and Sun 16th November 2008

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Shaun Kirwan
(Geomancer, Dowser & Stone Circle Builder)
-Geomancy in our Sacred Landscape - How we can interact with the landscape for earth healing and creation of sacred space.

Dan Winter
(American Scientist and Specialist in DNA)
-How Waves Conjure up Fractality: The Implosive Secret of Life Force, Peak Perception and the Self Organization of The Human Genetic Field. Simple electric symmetry principles towards the end of addiction.

Robin Heath
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-Evidence and proof of advanced observational astronomy in the ancient British Isles

Sam Semir Osmanagich

(Founder of the Bosnian Pyramid of the Sun Foundation)
-Presents the latest archaeological information on the incredible Bosnian pyramids and stone structures.

Dirk Campbell
(Composer and specialist in musical instruments dating back thousands of years)
-Presentation on the science of music plus demonstration of a number of ancient instruments


Sunday :

Peter Cedrowan Taylor
(Pioneering Environmental Scientist)
-Envisioning the future of ecology, community and spirit.

Daniel Tatman
(Independent Researcher)
-Evidence of the geomantic construction skills of the ancient surveyors, who mapped Britain and the World and their connections to the science of the Electric Universe.

John Gagnon
(Canadian Researcher and Author of Message from Our Ancestors)
-Review and DVD’s of the work of Paul LaViolette, Bernard Delair, Richard Firestone, Velikovsky and others on the global catastrophe at the end of the Ice Age. The messages left for us by our advanced and benevolent ancestors from within the Great Pyramid. Assisted by Edmund Marriage.

Edmund Marriage
(Independent Researcher)
-Sophistication and diffusion of ancient technology around the world by sea and land from the Kharsag/Garden of Eden site in Southern Lebanon.

Dean Carter
(Centre for Pure Sound)
-Introduction to the Sound Workshop on Monday
Two days of lectures, networking, socialising, music and forums, plus optional Shaun Kirwan Dowsing Instruction, Peter Taylor on the Science of Yoga, Dean and Lorna Carter’s Sound Workshop, plus local field visits on
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Wednesday, 24 September 2008

Lud , Bladud , Lludd And LUGH

La morte d'arthur- Aubery Beardsley- 1872 1898
(click to view)

Having examined Geoffrey's Saxon Warrior King Lud and Bladud (the welsh B'laddud) known as the Earlier Welsh Lludd (or sometimes Nudd) we can see that far from being a completely sound historical scholar he was a gifted storyteller.

It is known that if it had not been for his ' History of the kings of britain ' there would have been none of the famous work of Tennyson for while He turned to Thomas Malory rather than to Monmouth without Him there may have been no ' Morte d' Arthur ' or ' idylls of the king '.


Here i would like to show the work of Gustave Dor'e who's incredible artwork illuminates and expands on the imagery depicted by Malory re-told by Lord Alfred Tennyson and thus - some of the original scenes written about by Geoffrey of Monmouth.

an illustration for
Idylls of the king - Gusatve Dor
'e - 1832 1883

Idylls of the king - Dor'e

Gustave's work was so intricate and full of flair and detail that his work was highly coveted and respected not least by John Milton , he was one of the most sought after illustrators,engravers and sculptors in his contemporary artistic circle.

illustration for
Paradise lost - Dor'e


The primary reason i bring Dor'e into the fold of the tale is that again it shows the point that Monmouth's early work was to go on through a large number of the other greats of the following literary and historical periods.

Indeed one little known fact is that the main body of the Myths and stories surrounding Merlin (the fabled Druid) actually came from the popularity of Monmouth's ' Prophecies of Merlin '. While the well known and standard image of Merlin comes directly from Geoffrey he took Merlin from the Welsh sources. In parts of Wales he was known as ' Myrddin Wyllt' or The mad man of the forest.


While the stories of Merlin apparently come from 400 to 600 ad - Is it not rather obvious that this was the EXACT point that the majority of the Saxon Christian priests were RE-WRITING the entirety of the indigenous folklore of the British isles..

(Merlin advising King Arthur) in Gustave Doré's illustration


This image was not congruous with the new christian ideals of the time and so Myrddin wyllt became 'Merlin' a new and almost christian idealised Druid . Gone were the original stories of the madness of Myr a man driven into the wilderness in disarray after seeing a battle claim the lives of all that he loved. These stories were scattered to the wind and the stories of Aurelius Ambrosius were then tied to this Druid , he then became the wizened , old and bearded man that we see up to the current day --

-- it is fair to say that we have a direct connection from Monmouth's Merlin straight to J.R.R Tolkiens 'Gandalf'.

As we have seen Monmouth was a writer who was very adept at taking important figures from disparate chronologies and mythologies of all that came before him. In alot of ways he was a modern writer- but not very much of a historian - .. on many levels.

The Stories of Bladud and their overlapping details with Lud and Lludd are so obvious that many people have picked up on certain connections between the three however for some strange reason no-one has taken this to it's completion ...

As we have noted the language and Mythology of wales which Geoffrey was writting about came from Ireland and when we add the Irish root to the equation we get a rather jaw dropping result. I say that -but the only reason it is surprising- is how simple and resonant it is of all later versions and also because it has never been noticed. The Irish Mythology however is much more in depth and carries more detail than all of the others - and as we focused on earlier this is a tell- tale fact which often shows the true oldest source or origin.

Ladies and gentlemen please may i introduce to you the solar hero of Irish Mythology and Leader of the Tuatha De Danaan -LUGH-.

As we said there is actually more information on Lugh than there is on Bladud which -(if we are to except that he was meant to of come from thousands of years later) is ridiculous.

This story however is just beginning....

(The last man - Clinton Mansell)

More to come ......soon.

Daniel J.Tatman

Monday, 7 July 2008


Daniel Tatman is to appear at the stars and stones forum on the 15-16 November. The event is organised by John Agnew and Edmund Marriage...

There are many speakers over the two days including the brilliant and controversial Dan Winter-


15-16 November

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Tuesday, 17 June 2008

Lludd of the silver hand

Having now brought Bladud and Lud to the table, in welsh mythology we find the much earlier warrior king Lludd who as we noted earlier etymologically and historically is the original welsh version of the catholic and Latin Lud.

The Magic spear

H.R.Millar - (1905)

The full title of this high king of Britain was 'Lludd Llaw Eraint' or in Latin English - 'Lud of the silver hand'. Anyone with even a slight knowledge of the Legends and Myths of Britain will notice straight away the silver hand motif, this is one of the strangest of the reoccurring themes that run literally throughout the entirety of the old stories of the Welsh and Gaelic peoples.


The Welsh legends known as the 'Mabinogi' are the original four tales split into what are known as the four branches - what we know as the welsh 'Mabinogion' is a later collection of stories surrounding these four main narratives. These are the branches or tales of -


( Whilst Wikipedia is by no-means an authority -
It does serve as a nice intro and it is relatively easy on the eye.)

The collected volume now holds between 9- 20 stories depending on which compilation and compiler you are referring to. The most well known of whom was Lady Charlotte guest who was the first English translator to take on the task. The title 'Mabinogion' was taken from Lady Guest's miss spelling of a word at the end of the last branch of the 'Mabinogi' (the original four tales) , whilst we are not going into an analysis of the welsh legends themselves it does make the point that many 'translators' and authors over the Milena have re-written , re-edited and compiled the indigenous folklore of the old world and quite often blatantly in-accurately.


The tale in question within the text that speaks primarily of lludd is that of 'Lludd and Llefelys'. The story begins with the two noted characters Lllud and Llefelys - family members of a line of ruling kings who had recently taken back the crown after beating out the invaders with their recently deceased father Beli the great.

Here is another level of the connections between Lud and Lludd - Lud's fathers name was HELI and (as shown above) lludd's father was BELI. So you have lud and lludd , heli and beli.... I think the assumption that these two figures are one and the same is a very obvious one.


Other linguists , researchers , mythologists and authors have made the connection between Lludd and lud before and seeing as Geoffrey of Monmouth himself said that he translated his Historia from the welsh legends then it comes as no big surprise. However when we take a longer look at the parents of these two fabled kings a far stranger and more powerful underlay starts to peek out from underneath. In the welsh version Beli the great was the Husband of the welsh goddess Dôn. Don is the welsh mirror of the Irish goddess Dana or Danu, both of these goddess's are the supreme mother figure in both of their Pantheons.

Now at this point our study must bridge over to the Irish legends having identified Lludd's mother as Don we can see that the Gaelic culture had their own mirror of all of the welsh characters. To be more accurate it is best to say that the Welsh mirrors the Irish as all scholars of British culture know that the Welsh Language and mythology came trickling down from Ireland. This can be seen in any region of the world with specific groups dialect's and their ultimate origins - the oldest always has the most elemental and principle language (and often the most simple)while at the same time having the most intricate and detailed mythology.


This simple fact is the primer for the next post in which we will delve into our final mythological cross-over.. This leads us to our most startling discovery in the search for the identity of King Bladud and ultimately the possible origins of the Celtic settlement in the city now known as Bath.

Daniel J.Tatman

Friday, 13 June 2008


As we scan Geoffrey's History we find a character who is of equally important mythological stature and gains more than a couple of paragraphs in the Text. This character is the 'so it seems' well loved good king Lud.

The below statue is supposedly of king Alfred 'the Great' one of the first Saxon kings to bring together the later Anglo-Saxons against the much later invasion from western Europe of their consolidated stolen lands.


However the masterful poets Wordsworth and Blake both identified the statue as king Lud- this point would carry much weight even without the knowledge of Blake's interest in Druidry and his ultimate placement as high Druid of Britain later in life. The fascinations and connections that Wordsworth held with the 'craft' of many initiatory traditions also play into the overall image of something very important in the observation made by these two highly steeped men.



Jerusalem : William Blake


King lud is talked about by Monmouth but if we now focus on place names and scan a map of Britain we find that there are no less than 68 places with 'lud' at their beginning. From Lud , Ludlow, Ludville, Ludhampton, Ludham , Luddington and all the way down to 8 Ludgates leading down in a sweeping line from northern wales to london - the diffusion of the name is wide and you find it right across England , Wales , Scotland and Ireland. There is a place called 'Lud' in the Shetland isles and then a Ludgvan in Cornwall - this king whoever he actually was did alot of travelling or, was thought of so highly that his name spread... like wildfire.



Whilst there are numerous places that begin with the name of our selected king it is by no means proof that they were indeed named after him- it is however proof that this name in some way held importance for the whole of Ancient Britain. Lud has no meaning in latin or welsh as a word of it's own - so we must then investigate the roots of this word. As mentioned earlier this word covers the whole of Britain, here is one intriguing example:


Monmouth describes Lud as a Warrior King Who was fond of hosting lavish feasts and throwing parties - this was on account of him and his fathers re-conquering Britain and removing the presence of the latest invading force. He tells of the rest of the lineage both Pre and Post Lud however these links are some of the most tentative and have not stood the test of 'Historical' time. It is left to another later author (Owain Tanwen) to translate Bladud to B'lladdud in the welsh language and this would then in turn be 'the Ludud' or 'the Lud' in Latin. This gives us a very fresh new angle to look at bath's founding figure from and indeed the dates with which we have become accustomed do not fit the bill.


In tracking back it seems as though Bladud or B'lladdud WAS the -young- king Lud or in the powerful welsh mythology of the MABINOGION it denoted the boyhood of the legendary warrior king ''Lludd''. This character however is much older than the Lud and Bladud of Monmouths text and has much more importance in the history of ancient Britain. While The legends of wales are known to have been re-written in the periods between 400 and 900 ad - all scholars and Celtic mythologists understand that LLudd is a figure who comes from the murky ancient times of Albion perhaps THOUSANDS of years earlier.

The 400-800 years that separate Lud and Bladud fall away when we note Monmouth's skewing of all the details and chronology when laid up against the outline of the welsh legends - it shows to us that Bladud, Lud and Lludd are in fact the same people.


In looking at Geoffrey's text we have shown that less than a historian he was an artist- and as such he has kept certain themes and histories whilst fragmenting them throughout the narrative to add progressively to the tale in the style of a true epic . Whilst he was an artist we can also call him rightly a mythologist as he audaciously tried to carry on his Kings of Britain were the Iliad of homer ended ... with the destruction of troy. His contention was that Brutus (a roman name incidentally) an heir to the throne of troy- fled from the destruction and came to Britain and formed Trinovantum or New Troy. This has been shown by hundreds of historians , archaeologists and anthropologists to be false.


In the next post will shall examine the next king in our line of angled mirrors - the hugely influential and loved welsh warrior king - 'Lludd Llaw Eraint'.

Daniel J.Tatman

Thursday, 5 June 2008


If we try to work our way back into the Celtic Mythology through the 'Historians' of the late Saxon and medieval periods- in order to find the original birth of bath we have to start with the colourful character of Geoffrey of Monmouth and his mythical King Bladud.

-Bladud in Exile-
Benjamin West


The picture that Monmouth paints is of a Young Welsh prince - who during his late education travels to Greece , to the fabled city of Athens and the site of the ancient and fallen troy to learn from the many teachers and philosophers that inhabit the region. During his studies he falls ill but is taken by four men to a path at the bottom of a low mountainside and is told to follow it to it's end. When he reaches the end of the path he drinks from a hidden fountain high in the the Athenian hills and is momentarily cured, he later travels back from Greece to Britain and returns to his kingdom in Wales.


After setting up a college of learning on his way back to wales in a place now named Stamford with four mysterious 'philosophers' that had returned with him he alone returns to wales to his throne. When he enters the court after riding for days he pulls back his hood to reveal a small red scar below his eye. The court physician diagnoses him with leprosy and he is banished from the kingdom and sent out as a wanderer in exile with only a group of pigs as company.


As we can see water was definitely a key motif in the story of bladud - whilst walking in the hills across the Mendips in the area now called somerset he turned a corner and saw a valley cut deep into the landscape, this valley was a sight to be seen- it was surrounded by pale sandstone cliffs and was FILLED with hot clouds of thick steam.


The clouds came from the natural thermal waters that were coming up from under the ground - a collection of natural springs bringing so much water that they flooded the valley floor and made it an area of rich marsh and bog. In the marsh smooth brown clays had formed and the pigs of bladud rolled in the mud and bathed in the murky green bubbling waters that came up from the heated limestone deep under the earth.


Bladud's pigs while in the company of the banished prince had been his only companions and as such he had tended to them , and so it followed that during their travels the pigs also contracted the illness of the doomed prince. The day after bathing in the waters bladud went to round up his animals and saw that they had been cured of their affliction !! . He then went back to the springs and rolled in the mud and bathed in the warm waters and steam for (according to Monmouth) a few days.

After this it is said that he returned to his kingdom in wales and became king - then in a token of thanks and memory he built the first Celtic settlement in bath or as it was then known in the welsh period of bladud-
- '' Ca'er Badd'on '' -

The Meadows of Bathing...

This was - and is still now to some extent the accepted story of the founding of bath and this is the story that is plastered all over the city. Especially the museums and the Baths themselves.. (as shown below) But what if there is another side to this story that has (up until now) not been told?. A story that includes the 'Fair folk' , The high Irish kings and their Welsh counterparts. Why on earth would a 'Roman catholic' benedictine prior leave the original British kings out of the story?..

(Bladud - At the roman bath's in Bath)

It is a obvious fact that can be proven time and time again - the early christian historians of the (600 ad to 1600 ad ) period completely re-wrote the western European lineage of kings (and) the stories of old after obtaining the original documents and manuscripts - from the earlier roman 'military' campaigns. They wiped out the presence of powerful women in the tales and tarnished the reputations and images of all of the kings and greats of the isle that the bards sang of. This particular history of '' Ca'er badd'on '' is a much later version of an earlier narrative which included many of the greatest characters in British mythology.


Whilst the above story is attributed to Monmouth - This is just one of the many fallacies that surround Bath's earliest history, This account does not come from Monmouth but is in fact a slowly built up narrative taken from at least Twelve authors . The original was written in Latin as has four majorly different translations to boot- So if this is the accepted history of the founding of the city then we must throw out this idea as a concrete truth that is laid in stone and start to synthesize other earlier authors and OTHER FIGURES in Geoffrey's own text.

In the next post we shall look at another king mentioned by early 'writers' who strangely has alot in common with the man known as bladud...

Daniel J.Tatman

Thursday, 29 May 2008


When we try to look back to the late days of Celtic Britain we find that we hit a wall, or to be more precise a roman wall that is so vast that it encompasses the History , Spirituality, Land , hearts , minds and lives of the Celtic people -- this rolling red wall was
the roman conquest of the west.

The fog is clearing and the wall has fallen but we are left with bare remnants compared with what was lost. What becomes plain is that there was something in particular that the Romans did not like about these mysterious lands and their free minded occupants. And they felt ...... that THEY should have it --Britain-- that is.


The main ideas that have been shown to have been prevalent about the Celts amongst the Romans , and in particular the generals and emperors alike - were that the land at the end of the western regions was fit for roman conquest, (which by roman standards was the greatest compliment that could be given to a foreign land) that the Druids must be wiped out and that the peoples themselves should be enslaved and put to work.


Because of this almost unanimous perception of the Sages of the west the Roman army was tasked with wiping them off the map in every corner of what we know now as Europe. From Germany to Scandinavia , France to Spain and Ireland all the way to Italy - Celtica's trade networks and communication systems were second to none , the entire civilisation was based upon individualisim and as such each area gave it's particular horde of goods, skills and resources.

With their fertile lands , many natural springs and rivers and with the thousands of mines both open cast and tunnel built - the Celts , Gauls , Germanic , Nordic and Slavic tribes were wealthy in many goods and for the most part lived in abundance. With the ships and the freedom to travel the Celt's were trading with people as far south as Africa and Egypt and as far east as China , the variety of goods that have since been discovered is incredible. In every way the roman trading that came forward in it's place was of less variety and lower quality - Slavery tends to do that to production...

There were however two things the Romans had alot of and shipped everywhere - Wine and Oil - now if the Romans had stayed as the Etruscan's and been the worlds best oil and wine distributors everything may have turned out well for the free men of europe but as we know the romans had a very different objective than that of merchants and traders.


The Romans saw the threat posed by these philosophers and leaders on every level and so designed to not only decimate the lands and populations but also the holy sites , the sacred springs and groves , the Druidic colleges and most importantly the complete remnant of the spiritual body and overall cultural identity of the whole civilisation of Celtica within a couple of generations.

With their wealth of gold the debts of war could be paid by Caesar and he could return to Rome as dictator. The obvious threat that the Indigenous teachers and healers represented was such that they had to be destroyed inevitably , and so just like any game of chess the Emperor made the sufficient moves and set by great provision for the huge amounts of gold , silver and other metals that circulated the Celtic trade routes.

(The battersea shield)

When we look at this period we must not be fooled into thinking that the historical accounts that we are faced with on television hold any truth in the least- the accounts that are given to us are that of the Romans themselves and for anyone with a speck of intelligence it is easy to see that this would be very much like asking a televised American politician about the Iraq war - Not exactly the most impartial voice in the crowd.


To find some pearls of truth in this pile of empty oyster shells we must then turn to the Storytellers , the Bards , the Ovates and the Druids of the British isles - the indigenous men of wisdom that had guided the island for thousands of years. These stories take Bath's founding back much further in time than 863 bc and do not begin within a man called Bladud.. Or do they ?

Daniel J.Tatman